Episode Notes:

On this episode of The Insider, Nick sat down with David Cadier, an assistant professor of international relations at the University of Groningen (Netherlands) and visiting professor at the College of Europe in Bruges, and Martin Quencez, the director of the Paris office of the German Marshall Fund of the United States. The three discussed the article, "France's Policy Shift on Ukraine's NATO Membership," which was published on August 10.

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