Episode Notes:

On this episode of Thinking the Unthinkable, Ankit sits down with Jon Wolfsthal, chair of the U.S. Department of State International Security Advisory Board study group on deterrence in a multipolar world, to talk about the findings and recommendations of the ISAB’s 2023 report. Ankit and Jon discuss the implications of a growing Chinese nuclear weapons stockpile, the role of the State Department in reinforcing U.S. deterrence and assurance messaging, the role of arms control, and much more.