Episode Notes:

Recording from Kyiv, Mike sits down with Col. Pavlo Yelizarov, commander of the Lasar’s Group drone unit within Ukraine’s National Guard. They explore how Lasar’s Group began, how it designs and deploys drones to destroy enemy equipment, and the unit’s impact on the battlefield. Their conversation also delves into the vital role that civilians have played in integrating drones into modern warfare — and how Ukraine might help other countries in adapting to drone warfare in the future.

Image: Col. Pavlo Yelizarov