Episode Notes:

This podcast is the second of a three-part conversation with Mike Kofman and Steve Kotkin, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) and a Kleinheinz senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. This conversation picks up right where part 1, published last week, finished. Mike and Steve examined scenarios for war termination and where Russian politics may be headed. Part 3 will be released later this week.

The Russia Contingency is a bi-weekly podcast featuring in-depth analysis of Russia's military power and the war in Ukraine.