Episode Notes:

Stephen Olguin wrote “Attack Helicopters Must Hunt the Hunters,” published in War on the Rocks on Nov. 3. Kerry and Stephen discuss his argument that attack helicopters should be able to directly suppress enemy air defenses in the future, or otherwise face becoming obsolete. Stephen is a former Army Apache helicopter pilot and currently works in aviation threat simulation and modeling for the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division.

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