Episode Notes:

Peter Dean and Alice Nason the article “AUKUS Pillar II Is Failing in Its Mission.” Peter is a professor and the director of foreign policy and defense at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney. Alice is a Fulbright Scholar and non-resident fellow of the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney. Kerry talked with them both about why Pillar II matters, why it's failing, and how the AUKUS countries can work together to fully utilize Pillar II's potential.

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