Episode Notes:

Nick talks to Joshua Tallis, author of "The Calm Before the Swarm: Drone Warfare at Sea in the Age of the Missile" which discusses the use of autonomous and robotic systems to reinforce the U.S. Navy's primary weapon system, the long-range anti-ship missile. Joshua Tallis is a senior research scientist at the Center for Naval Analyses and the author of The War for Muddy Waters. From 2021–2023 he was the center’s advisor to the U.S. Sixth Fleet commander.