Episode Notes:

Erin sat down with Hamidreza Azizi and Erwin Van Veen, authors of “Playing with Fire: Patterns of Iranian-Israeli Military Confrontation,” which was published on June 25. Hamidreza is a visiting fellow at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs in Berlin and an associate researcher at Clingendael. Erwin is a senior research fellow at Clingendael’s Conflict Research Unit and leads Clingendael’s Middle East program.