Episode Notes:

On this episode of The Insider, Nick sat down with Tim Sweijs, the director of research at the Hague Centre for Strategic Studies and a senior research fellow at the Netherlands’ War Studies Research Centre and Michael J. Mazarr, a senior political scientist at the nonprofit, nonpartisan RAND Corporation. The conversation explored in-depth the article, "Mind the Middle Powers," which was published on April 4.

The Insider is a weekly members-only podcast, featuring War on the Rocks authors discussing in-depth a featured article, and why it matters for national security.