Episode Notes:

In Part 3 of host Jason Dempsey's conversation with Army veterans Staff Sgt. Mike McGuinness and Spc. Lucas Gray who served under 1st Lt. Clint Lorance in Afghanistan. Their story is the story of the honor and discipline American soldiers commit to but, regretfully, do not always live up to. Mike McGuinness and Lucas Gray reflect on what happened on their last deployment and the aftermath. Their conversation this week sets the scene for the war crime incident.