Episode Notes:

Steve sits down with co-host Jay Dietrich and fellow former F/A-18 weapons systems officer Fletcher "Clips" Vynne to discuss the military's survival, evasion, resistance, and escape program (SERE). Sparked by a recent jet shoot-down over Iran, the three veterans reflect on the psychology behind the training, what it demands of you in the moment, and why those lessons stay with you long after the worst moments have passed.

Image: Airman Bre Lewis via DVIDS