Episode Notes:

This podcast is the final installment of a three-part conversation with Mike Kofman and Steve Kotkin, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI) and a Kleinheinz senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Part 1 was first published on August 25. This conversation picks up right where part 2 finished. Mike and Steve examined the assumptions about Ukraine's offensive, the need to consider how the war may shape Ukrainian society and concluded with a discussion about how Ukraine can win the peace.

The Russia Contingency is a bi-weekly podcast featuring in-depth analysis of Russia's military power and the war in Ukraine.